J. January 13-14: Lewinsky-Tripp Conversation and Talking PointsIn a face-to-face conversation on January 13, Ms. Lewinsky told Linda Tripp: "This is what my lawyer taught me. You really don't -- you don't very often say 'no' unless you really need to. The best is, 'Well, not that I recall, not that I really remember. Might have, but I don't really remember.'"(1009) Ms. Lewinsky said that, if asked in a deposition, "Were you ever alone with the President?" she could say, "Um, it's possible I may have taken a letter on the weekend, but, you know -- I might have, but I don't really. . . ."(1010)
Ms. Lewinsky and Ms. Tripp then discussed the situation:
Ms. Lewinsky: I don't think the way that man thinks, I don't think he thinks of lying under oath. . . .
Ms. Tripp: Yes, he is because he's the one who said, "Deny, deny, deny." Of course he knows.
Ms. Lewinsky: Right. But it's -- hard to explain this. It's like -- (sigh)
Ms. Tripp: You know what I mean. I mean, I don't know -- do I think he is consciously --
Ms. Lewinsky: If-- if -- if I said, if somebody said to him, "Is Monica lying under oath," he would say yes. But when he on his own thinks about it, he doesn't think about it in those terms. Okay?
Ms. Tripp: Probably.
Ms. Lewinsky: Okay? He thinks of it as, "We're safe. We're being smart." Okay? "We're being smart, we're being safe, it's good for everybody."(1011)
On January 14, Ms. Lewinsky gave Ms. Tripp a three-page document regarding "points to make in [Ms. Tripp's] affidavit."(1012) Ms. Lewinsky testified that she wrote the document herself, although some of the ideas may have been inspired by conversations with Ms. Tripp.Next